Search Engine Strategies for Affiliates

<ClubMom_Shawn>	Rick Bier - Editor of 2-Tier.com, will be moderating ""Search Engine Strategies for Affiliates "" - feel free to ask questions. Welcome, Rick!
<TipzTime_Wendy>	Ooop, I have another reason why affiliates fail to sell. Merchant pay ceiling
<LoveWebHosting_Kathy>	No, make your words sell is the latest book.
<Affiliatewindow_COM>	To provide affiliate guides ect..
<AffiliatePeople_Adam>	Hello Rick
<TipzTime_Wendy>	Hi Rick
<Contesthound_Bob>	$30 Canadian, so about $19 US
<ac20_jck>	Rick, isn't there an inherent distrust in multi-tier tracking?
<Affiliatewindow_COM>	info for affiliates...
<IDIC_Joanne>	Hi Rick
<LinkUp_VeronicaM>	yep that's it
<Contesthound_Bob>	Hi Rick
<iknowthat_lisa>	hi rick
<Rick_Bier>	Hello folks, I have a presentation prepared too.
<otips>	are meta tags dead?
<scamfree_neil>	go 4 it rick
<Harith>	Shoot, Rick. We rae listening.
<Rick_Bier>	So, bear with me while I do it OK?
<IDIC_Joanne>	Ok Rick Let's here it!
<ac20_jck>	yikes, here comes the scroll bars
<ClubMom_Shawn>	Let Rick give his intro, please
<Contesthound_Bob>	Go slowly
<Rick_Bier>	Search Engine Strategies for Affiliates
<mmendez>	We had a consultant come in to do search engine analysis and the results we have received based upon his ananlysis are phenominal
<Affiliatewindow_COM>	Is there anyone in here that runs a website featuring affiliate advice?
<Rick_Bier>	ind popular search terms
<AroundTheHouse_Bonni>	thanks linette
<Rick_Bier>	Subscribe to a service that will give you the 1000 most popular search terms each week.
<Rick_Bier>	http://www.2-tier.com/wordtrak/
<RKER321>	Yes I do in Spanish, AssociateHelp.
<mmendez>	creating the search terms according to your site is key also
<otips>	who cares if that not your site focus?
<Rick_Bier>	http://www.wordspot.com/
<Rick_Bier>	Find either the most popular searches or the most popular searches that appeal to your special interests. I suggest the latter so you don't get bored with it.
<otips>	my site not about mp3 or sex so why would I use those words-even if popular
<Affiliatewindow_COM>	I am looking for partner for our site http://www.affiliatewindow.com to provide content
<Rick_Bier>	Do you want to earn money or just post banners?
<mmendez>	you would not.
<IDIC_Joanne>	Earn money
<Rick_Bier>	Remember the topic here: Search Engine Strategies for Affiliates
<Rick_Bier>	We're going to talk about making money with search engines and affiliate programs.
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	test
<Rick_Bier>	Your main site's topic is irrelevant
<otips>	key words so what? if not content specific?
<RKER321>	Ok, how much positioning in a search engine is going to make your site a successful one.
<Rick_Bier>	choose product or service
<Rick_Bier>	Now that you know what the most popular search terms are you are ready to choose an affiliate program to test. Visit your favorite affiliate program directory, or affiliate network, and search for the programs that fit the most general, most popular, search terms you have gleaned in your research.
<otips>	are meta tags dead?
<Affiliatewindow_COM>	no
<Rick_Bier>	META tags are almost dead.
<scamfree_neil>	rick, which search engine do you use to test optimisation techniques since Infoseek stopped indexing in 24 hours?
<Rick_Bier>	I suggest that you actually buy the product or use the service you choose. If you actually use what you sell and believe in it's worth you will be able to recommend it to other people more easily and enthusiastically.
<Rick_Bier>	Determine search term universe
<otips>	how about submit wolf type programs?
<Rick_Bier>	Now that you have chosen the product(s) or service(s) you want to sell it's time to expand your search term universe to include as many different search terms as you can find, including synonyms, and less popular search terms.
<Rick_Bier>	we'll get there
<Rick_Bier>	Write content text
<RKER321>	But now many products should you choose and promote before becoming a yellow page advertiser.
<Rick_Bier>	o you know how to ""pre-sell""? This is the most important part of this process. The search engine optimization specialists can bring a Web site traffic but the words sell or ""pre-sell"" the product/service.
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	ONE
<Rick_Bier>	Learn how to do it with one of these great tools:
<Rick_Bier>	These are affiliate links of course:
<Rick_Bier>	Make Your Site Sell
<Rick_Bier>	http://marketing.sitesell.com/myss/
<Rick_Bier>	Make Your Words Sell
<Rick_Bier>	http://marketing.sitesell.com/myws/
<KoolStores_Steve>	Here is something that merchant could do, put us on your serach engine free of charge, after all, we are doing the same for you, until there is a sell
<Rick_Bier>	Your content needs to useful to your prospects and emphasize the benefits of the product you are pre-selling. Notice: I said ""benefits"" not features. Learn the difference in ""Make Your Words Sell"".
<Rick_Bier>	Create search engine friendly theme site
<RKER321>	Are you saying then that affiliate links and promoting these links in your site is what you say would work?
<RKER321>	How can you do that?
<Rick_Bier>	I'm saying to create a whole seperate theme site.
<Rick_Bier>	Long, benefit filled, pages sell better than short pages. Don't believe it? Look at the sites the online marketing experts use to sell their products.
<Rick_Bier>	http://www.activemarketplace.com/winning/
<KoolStores_Steve>	theme sites, takes up to much time to upload on 40% of US and other countries computers
<Rick_Bier>	http://marketing.sitesell.com/myss/
<otips>	gawd those bore me to tears- they dont sell me I'm busy & dont have time to red the drivel
<MainshipSystems_DS>	I notice a lot of search engines are charging. Others are listing according to popularity (linked to). What happened to the web as the great equalizer? How do we deal with the changing search engine climate?
<Rick_Bier>	http://www.searchenginehelp.com/synergy
<Rick_Bier>	http://www.wpgold.com
<TipzTime_Wendy>	many search engines are switching to pay per position. Will all of the important ones be that way eventually?
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	Then it is a poor site if it boars you.....learn for their mistakes
<Rick_Bier>	You keep up with that changing climate.
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	improve upon them
<KoolStores_Steve>	yeah, look at some of the older search engines, they are selling bids for spots
<otips>	well they gotta make money too
<KoolStores_Steve>	LookSmart search, you have to pay for a listing.
<Rick_Bier>	The pay-per-click model sure seems to increase the relevancy of searches.
<Rick_Bier>	ubmit to pay-per-click search engines
<bestbizfit_michael>	all people have an interest, they search the internet on their interest. If you know the words they use, are an information broker and connector of resources to them, your site should do well.
<iknowthat_lisa>	what's a good automated way to monitor search engines?
<Rick_Bier>	GoTo.com is the number one ppc search engine. If you don't have an account there yet you need one.
<JollyGoodDeals_Myke>	Is cloaked redirection going to negatively impact seach engine placement? Would it be better to get full hosting.
<Rick_Bier>	Lisa - WebPosition Gold is the one I use. http://www.wpgold.com
<Harith>	Rick! would you support free Public Search Engines, just to avoid monopoly by paid SEs?
<KoolStores_Steve>	I will build us a search engine free for all Portals, if you guys help promote it
<iknowthat_lisa>	thanks!
<ac20_jck>	Rick, you're making great points. I get a lot of traffic and my site is for Interstellar Anthropology!
<ac20_jck>	I use good keywords
<otips>	what do like about webposition
<ac20_jck>	unique
<IGenealogy_NSween>	There is also the topical search pages. Places like http://www.studentdoctor.net/links for medical and pre-med student links, ETC.
<APmanager_Jeff>	There is currently a free search engine application availabale put out by netscape
<Rick_Bier>	Find other ppc search engines at Alan Gardyne's new site:
<APmanager_Jeff>	It's called the OpenDirectoryProject
<Rick_Bier>	http://www.payperclicksearchengines.com
<Rick_Bier>	Almost done
<otips>	how to build your own search engine and make money?
<APmanager_Jeff>	It's an application that anyone can put on their website
<Affiliates4Cash_Nanc>	KoolStores_Steve - I volunteer our support
<Rick_Bier>	Submit to major search engines and directories
<Rick_Bier>	You can submit your site by hand, with WebPosition Gold's Submitter, or using Michael Cambell's Search Engine Commando.
<Rick_Bier>	WebPosition Gold http://www.wpgold.com/
<Rick_Bier>	Search Engine Commando
<Rick_Bier>	http://www.2-tier.com/sec/
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	selfpromotion.com is good too
<Rick_Bier>	However you submit, do it and leave it alone. Search engines take from a few days to a few months to index newly submitted sites and now it seems that at least one (Inktomi)is penalizing direct submissions.
<otips>	what so great about webposition ?
<KoolStores_Steve>	Jeff, the free ones, face it, when you sumbit to those free search engines, the roll off, before you even had a chance to see the listing, and the major search engines, take 4-6 weeks to be placed
<iknowthat_lisa>	what's wrong with direct submissions?
<APmanager_Jeff>	ADweb is also a good search engine submitter
<TipzTime_Wendy>	how do you get a search directory to update your info. I have tried with Yahoo to no avail.
<amy_freeformom>	I was just going to ask that about adweb, I just bought it
<IGenealogy_NSween>	Rick, how does Inktomi penalize?
<Rick_Bier>	OK, what I've just given you is an outline for how to earn income with affiliate programs without promoting them on your own site.
<Affiliates4Cash_Nanc>	I like Web Position Gold also. Has alot of assitance. FYI - BCentral includes auto submittal with their $#19.95/mo. package.
<KoolStores_Steve>	Adweb is good, but they have about 300 good ones, and the rest, do nothing for you
<Kasha>	en nu een biertje
<Arlana>	what about Submission Services? Are they any good?
<iknowthat_lisa>	yahooligans has an area, if you follow the endless links, that allows you to update the listing, not sure about yahoo, but click around
<Affiliates4Cash_Nanc>	I still worry that the 'big boys' with money will ultimately win online as in real life.
<TipzTime_Wendy>	remember though, small businesses will always be around!
<Rick_Bier>	Web Positon and Search Engine Commando won't get your site banned or knocked down in rank because the cloak the submission and make it look like it was done by hand.
<IGenealogy_NSween>	Look around at the big boyx who are now out of business, Nanc
<APmanager_Jeff>	Arlana...you have more control with search engine submitting software
<ClubMom_Shawn>	I've been very happy with WebPosition - though it's got a learning curve
<Rick_Bier>	Yahoo is a real pain to work with. I don't even try to get them to make changes. I'm just glad I'm finally listed.
<IMC_Ibrahim>	Yes, I use WP Gold, it's really good
<otips>	how long learning curve?
<MainshipSystems_DS>	Can I use Webposition gold for all my sites, or do i have to pay them for each site I want to submit?
<ac20_jck>	yahoo is a pain it the butt!
<iknowthat_lisa>	they've sent LOTS of people to my site
<IMC_Ibrahim>	Mainship: You can get the regular or Pro. Pro does unlimited domains. I think regular does 10 or 15.
<MusicSpace_Michele>	Does anyone know anything about Traffic Boss?
<KoolStores_Steve>	we get about 40 hits a day from Yahoo, and google, it helps
<scamfree_neil>	rick, you think SEC works?
<Focalex_John_Lee>	Be careful when selecting a submission service. You don't want to get removed from searches for spamming.
<TipzTime_Wendy>	you are right Rick, I am happy to be listed with them.
<APmanager_Jeff>	Mainship....its sofware so you can submit as many times as you want
<WebDecal_Linda>	regular does 5
<TheBigBook_Linette>	Does WebGold/SECommando provide optimization as well?
<CashPile_Paul>	MainshipSystems you can purchase the webmaster edition, which allows unlimited domains.
<RKER321>	WebPosition is really good, But I always had problems because of my affiliation with AOL
<APmanager_Jeff>	But be judicious with its use
<Rick_Bier>	I haven't tried any submission services for over 2 years now. I think they are submitting to way too many marginal sites.
<CreditForYou2000_Tim>	I get lots of hits from Google, but nont that much from Yahoo
<IMC_Ibrahim>	Linette: Webposition Gold is VERY complete, it'll track your listings, (whether you went up or down) and will analyze your pages too
<APmanager_Jeff>	You dont want your site to get banned for search engine spamming
<MusicSpace_Michele>	Traffic Boss is a searge engine optimization service, not software. Does anyone have thoughts on using software vs. services?
<KoolStores_Steve>	we do a sumbittion every six months to main search engines
<ClubMom_Shawn>	Tim - those Google clicks may be coming from the Yahoo web pages section
<TheBigBook_Linette>	Thanks IMC
<Rick_Bier>	WebPosition Gold can be used with up to ten sites withthe standard version and the pro version is unlimited.
<allplaza_David_Fish>	I gave up with doing yahoo for free. I paid the fee and still did not put us up. I had to email back that yes we are unique. Only then did they put us up.
<otips>	do these produce spam?
<FFT_Michelle>	I have been told by some to resubmit to any site that doesn't list you about once every 6 months....do you agree?
<CreditForYou2000_Tim>	good point
<WebDecal_Linda>	softward=pay once, use forever services=pay as you go
<IMC_Ibrahim>	and they make it easy to upgrade to pro. ;)
<MainshipSystems_DS>	Does anyone know what the various version of webposition gold go for?
<Stentwood_Cindy>	How often should you re-submit for optimal exposure
<otips>	Ive heard every 2months
<CreditForYou2000_Tim>	the google hits are for specific products or domain name we are affiliated with
<CashPile_Paul>	In your log files, you should notice when a click is coming from Yahoo's version of google, it will say google.yahoo.com
<APmanager_Jeff>	Web posistion is about 149.00 to 350 i believe usd
<CreditForYou2000_Tim>	not from general searches
<HomeWorkingMom_Angie>	Correct Jeff
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	I found that if you forget about submitting completly and bulid a site relevent to you topic it will do much better
<Affiliates4Cash_Nanc>	does this work
<Rick_Bier>	Resubmission can be a good thing if you aren't already listed.
<JollyGoodDeals_Myke>	Is cloaked redirection going to negatively impact seach engine placement? Would it be better to get full hosting.
<scamfree_neil>	you should build pages with the SEs in mind, it's crazy not to
<TwoCanToo_Niall>	what's it take to get listed with open directory. i've submitted several times to different sections with no luck
<Rick_Bier>	If you are already listed in a good position leave it alone.
<Harith>	Mark! do you mean reciprocal linking?
<FFT_Michelle>	Rick - Should you do it sooner than 6 months?
<MusicSpace_Michele>	How quickly does one usually see results after using search engine software?
<otips>	hey i have more time than money so i do it myself
<Kasha>	they say you should resubmit every month or so?
<Rick_Bier>	Mark has a good point.
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	Dxball.org was all about dxball nothing else and owned the top spots on ALL the search engines
<IMC_Ibrahim>	michele: wp gold tells you the estimated time for each engine. It's about 2-6weeks for most
<CashPile_Paul>	Rick, do you notice a bi-weekly rotation at AltaVista.com
<Stentwood_Cindy>	What about BCentral - they submit you site once a month - Good or Bad?
<otips>	linking for higher postion-whats that about?
<Rick_Bier>	Most of the spider SEs will find your site on their own. the only reason to resubmit is if your position drops or you change your pages to rank better.
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	And I did 0 submitting
<FFT_Michelle>	Thanks IMC
<CreditForYou2000_Tim>	any word on the iNBC site?
<MusicSpace_Michele>	Yes, thanks Ibrahim
<Kasha>	i also saw some metatags for spiders to revisit
<Rick_Bier>	I haven'r resubmitted 2-tier.com for over a year and can be found in many of the top SEs.
<CreditForYou2000_Tim>	can a resubmit hurt your position?
<KoolStores_Steve>	To let you know what I know about search engine, you really only need to do it once a year, Most search engine have so many pages, that it is almost impossible to maintain each and every listing,
<ClubMom_Shawn>	Is anybody here an Open Direcoty editor?
<Rick_Bier>	Time to index varies from a few days, to a few weeks, to never.
<otips>	what meta tag revist code?
<FFT_Michelle>	That's another question....what do do your recommend to help bring your site up in the ranks? I have viewed sites that are the same topic as mine, listed in the top ten and checked out their text, meta tags, etc....do the same with my own, and it doesn't move....
<MainshipSystems_DS>	What can you tell me a doorway pages? Do they work? Are they considered SPAM?
<Kasha>	i aplied for it
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	I was when it was GnuHoo
<awvcq>	I'm an editor
<Focalex_John_Lee>	Search engines are getting savvier about recognizing doorway pages -- be careful with those.
<CashPile_Paul>	They have me turned me down over 10 times, Open Directory
<Rick_Bier>	A resubmit can certainly hurt your position if the SE has changed it's ranking method.
<KoolStores_Steve>	the ranking on most search engines are control by bids now, check it out for yourself, you will see
<ClubMom_Shawn>	Open Directory is a good place to be an editor if you are an affiliate manager - you get a first glance at the sites in your topic
<IGenealogy_NSween>	Anyone else use FREEFIND for personal site searches? They are good.
<Rick_Bier>	I used to be an ODP editor.
<IGenealogy_NSween>	I used to be an ODP editor, too.
<KoolStores_Steve>	I spend yesterday checking our listing in 90 major engines
<TheBigBook_Linette>	Are placement specialists worth checking out?
<CashPile_Paul>	Shawn, I think that they get you with that question, Do you have a business association with this topic?
<ClubMom_Shawn>	I like Sandy Bay and Atomz for my site searches
<Rick_Bier>	Some search engines are relying more on in-bound links to help determine relevancy.
<otips>	why used to?
<ClubMom_Shawn>	Paul - I applied as the Affiliate Manager of ClubMOm for the MOthering category and got it.
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	You have to weigh the cost to benifit ratio
<TwoCanToo_Niall>	i uses beseen for my site searches
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	Experts can be worht their weight in gold
<CashPile_Paul>	Shawn, now I'm confused
<ClubMom_Shawn>	Why?
<KoolStores_Steve>	you don't get paid from Beseen now do you?
<otips>	inbound means what?
<Rick_Bier>	in-bound links = links from other sites to your site
<TwoCanToo_Niall>	no but it helps with being listed on looksmart
<Guest1096>	We (One and Only Network) are looking seriously at raising our commission rates mostly due to the increased cost of obtaining traffic, i.e., pay-for-position sites like GoTo. The latest Search Engine Strategies Show was very insightful - things are changing. We need to do a good job of keeping our associates up to date on this.
<IMC_Ibrahim>	Rick: How do search engines find those? Do they check their own listings? Or what?
<Stentwood_Cindy>	So back to basics - what do you reccommend. Manual submission, software or a service?
<KoolStores_Steve>	KoolStores.com is listed in LookSmart, but we use no services, that we can't make money off of
<Affiliates4Cash_Nanc>	Is this legal here? You can check out WepPostition Gold here: http://www.affiliates4cash.com/WebPositionGold/index.htm If illegal, please ignore :0
<TwoCanToo_Niall>	without having to pay for it?
<Rick_Bier>	AltaVista, Google, and GO all use in-links to rank sites as ""popular""
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	Manual submission to the top 5 ----with software--- after you are optimized
<HBWPNetwork_Cathryn>	Web position Gold is a great tool for search engine placement! You can get a 30 day free trial to check it out!
<MegaMags_John>	smart, there are big commissions for referring new customers to webposition gold
<Rick_Bier>	They use the links they find when they spider your site and the sites in your category.
<MainshipSystems_DS>	With the use on in links - how does someone new stand a chance?
<MegaMags_John>	i use webpositiongold and it has not worked for me yet
<TipzTime_Wendy>	keywords in your Title help too
<KoolStores_Steve>	without having to pay for it?, I will submit your site free, if you put my banner on your site for free
<Partnerprogrammecom>	DS - Build a great site with great content
<KoolStores_Steve>	even trade
<Partnerprogrammecom>	and the in links will come
<Rick_Bier>	MainshipSystems - You work and getting links to your site. it takes time.
<TipzTime_Wendy>	link exchanges with appropriate sites work for that
<JollyGoodDeals_Myke>	Ken! Is cloaked redirection going to negatively impact seach engine placement? Would it be better to get full hosting.
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	Free for all sites are goo for incoming links
<otips>	has anyone increased ranking with :inlinks""? what ver those are
<Affiliates4Cash_Nanc>	HOw does one become an editor of a search engine?
<Kasha>	aply for it?
<IGenealogy_NSween>	Do most of you accept or refuse spammed requests for links to their sites from your site???
<TwoCanToo_Niall>	open directory is always looking for editors in different catorgies
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	At newhoo you just click the link and fill in the app....everyone is accepted
<Rick_Bier>	The highest ranked sites all have many links to them in the SEs I mentioned above.
<AtYourBusiness_Diane>	I refuse them
<ClubMom_Shawn>	I think Zeal and Go Guide positions are open to all volunteers
<MainshipSystems_DS>	Putting up too many link exchange banners makes a site look cheap. It also doesn't matter how good a site is if people don't know about it. It seems that its getting harder and harder to get started.
<FFT_Michelle>	I ignore ""spammed"" requests,,,,,a one time request that is worded properly might get my attention
<AtYourBusiness_Diane>	I'm looking for a very targeted audience - small businesses. Not everyone can deliver it.
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	Wzard is a new directory that pays editors based on trafic
<Rick_Bier>	Go.com and dmoz.org always are looking for editors. You can find info on their sites.
<Rick_Bier>	Go has a limit of 8 Guides per cat.
<ClubMom_Shawn>	zeal.com is owned by LookSmart, so it's a way in their backdoor
<otips>	you mean asking for linkis consdired spam?
<CashPile_Paul>	Shawn, does zeal.com charge for listings
<QuinStreet_JulieR>	only sometimes
<FFT_Michelle>	I mean if someone emails me 10 times in one day...they go straight in the trash
<ClubMom_Shawn>	Paul - no - it's sort of like Go Guides
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	Put up a link to the site you want a link on first and then ask
<QuinStreet_JulieR>	exactly right mark
<otips>	10 times -how rude!
<IGenealogy_NSween>	I;'m probably wrong about them being spam since I have my address on the various pages for people to use for comments, suggestions, etc.
<KoolStores_Steve>	here is something that you would not except, but it happened with koolstores.com this pasted month
<KoolStores_Steve>	our home page get less hits, than 1000 of our other pages
<HomeWorkingMom_Angie>	Genealogy, you are probably right. I can get from 10 - 50 of the smae request.
<HomeWorkingMom_Angie>	It's spam
<MainshipSystems_DS>	On the other hand, a properly worded request at least deserves an answer.
<ClubMom_Shawn>	One thing I did to drive traffic to a site of mine (babylounge.com) was to set up a directory with the same topic (momseek.com) and I would add topical sites on momseek and ask for a link back to babylounge
<KoolStores_Steve>	because of submissions
<otips>	you need to qaulify no requests for link sTHEN!
<CashPile_Paul>	Steve, your doing well in the search engines
<HomeWorkingMom_Angie>	check out sitetipsandtricks.com for a great sample letter asking for links
<MainshipSystems_DS>	Does joining webrings help?
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	That is the best way to go about it Shawn
<TipzTime_Wendy>	Thanks for the info Rick, gotta go.
<KoolStores_Steve>	I know about them, I've worked on search engines, and I know how they are program
<HomeWorkingMom_Angie>	Shawn, great idea...
<IGenealogy_NSween>	Does anyone have any insight into whether or not to link to other sites that are doing the same thing that your site is attempting to do?
<Rick_Bier>	WebRings could be a good way to increase linking because they would appear as a cluster of links to the SEs.
<KoolStores_Steve>	the folks in here can make a better search engine, and make more money if you worked together at it
<ClubMom_Shawn>	thanks - in addition to the links I've traded, I have lots of topical CPC links in there, so it's a mild revenue generator, on top of being a traffic source
<CashPile_Paul>	But homepage hits usually means alot of repeats
<IGenealogy_NSween>	Just check that the webring is actually functioning. Some don't really ""ring""
<CashPile_Paul>	which is good
<Rick_Bier>	I link to all the other Affiliate directories I know about.
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	There is a rigth and wrong way to link to competitive site
<EMT_Andrea>	splain, please, Mark
<TheBigBook_Linette>	It depends on the nature of your business entirely - sometimes competition is attractive -
<ClubMom_Shawn>	FYI - there is a free search engine e-book (by me) in the webinar resource room - feel free to grab it
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	It depends on your site and you goals....
<TheBigBook_Linette>	Im thinking retail economics
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	YOu have to critically evaluate the situation
<TheBigBook_Linette>	It should never be done if the product/service is 100% identical
<AroundTheHouse_Bonni>	what is a mirror site, please?
<CashPile_Paul>	What i have done in the past is build huge catalogs based on a backend database
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	That's not completely correct
<CashPile_Paul>	so the actual pages on the site are static HTML pages
<Kasha>	bonni everything is written upside down
<CashPile_Paul>	but were derived from a database on the backend
<CouponSnippers_Carol>	I am torn on that one Genealogy
<JollyGoodDeals_Myke>	I thoughy I had a good search engine placement question, any chance of an answer - Is cloaked redirection going to negatively impact seach engine placement? Would it be better to get full hosting.
<IGenealogy_NSween>	Yeah, like we have the option of linking directly to Amazon.com books, or to link to an affilate program that will pay by click . Which way do YOU all go?
<Rick_Bier>	Mirror sites replicate your site under another domain.
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	A glof club site could link to other golfclubs
<QuinStreet_JulieR>	I link to all the other mystery shopping sites I can find
<Rick_Bier>	Better and more honest to get a full listing Myke.
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	Full hosting is better
<AroundTheHouse_Bonni>	thank you Rick
<MainshipSystems_DS>	or perhaps other type of golfing sites that don;t just sell golf clubs
<QuinStreet_JulieR>	Unless it is a replicated site, they are all a little different
<Rick_Bier>	Most of the SEs consider cloaking to be a violation of their terms of use.
<JollyGoodDeals_Myke>	Why honest, I use redirection because my hosting is free that way!
<CashPile_Paul>	Does anybody notice that WebCrawler does not pick up sites that are virtually hosted off the same IP address
<Affiliates4Cash_Nanc>	NSween - We normally refuse them.
<MainshipSystems_DS>	What if you use redirection for another reason - for example to send users to browser optimized pages?
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	YOU can get a host fo 10dollars a month
<ac20_jck>	Rick, does SEC work on Macs? It doesn't say...
<QuinStreet_JulieR>	or less
<KoolStores_Steve>	yeah, I know of some web host for 7.95 per month
<Rick_Bier>	Myke- dishonest, because some Webmasters have used redirects and cloaking to spam the SEs.
<otips>	webcrawler is dead
<Rick_Bier>	For Macs, you'ld have to use emulation software for both SEC and WebPositon.
<Stentwood_Cindy>	Thanks Rick, I appreciate your info. Have to leave now
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	IF you have a redirect that displays the original domain you don't get to optimize you page
<ac20_jck>	dangit.
<JollyGoodDeals_Myke>	Sounds like I need full hosting!
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	And a domainname
<Peterman>	When we cheat the SEs, we end up cheating ourselves.
<QuinStreet_JulieR>	at minumum
<QuinStreet_JulieR>	minimum
<AroundTheHouse_Bonni>	Question: I use a free host, Homestead, and built a second site in order to have enough room. They link to each other. Problem?
<Rick_Bier>	The SEs don't care about your reasons for using redirects or cloaking. If the detect either they may ban your domain.
<otips>	I'n listed with hypermart -its free!
<QuinStreet_JulieR>	hypermart's paid hosting is very inexpensive
<QuinStreet_JulieR>	about $8 per month
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	Thes true...and you don't have the banners
<Rick_Bier>	Bonni - one way people increase their link relevancy is by having multiple sites all linked to each other.
<MainshipSystems_DS>	Is hypermart NT or UNIX?
<QuinStreet_JulieR>	no idea
<IGenealogy_NSween>	Aren't all domain names redirects to another server?>
<TheBigBook_Linette>	I took over a business and set up a new domain name, to find later that a similar domain name existed
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	So if you can make more that 8 amonth with your own banner it makes alot of sense
<otips>	yikes multi sound like alot more work
<AroundTheHouse_Bonni>	now i am really confused, Rick. I don;t want to do this wrong
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	Unix
<HBWPNetwork_Cathryn>	A suggestion for having enough room with web sites and a host at $6.95 is ecomplanet.com!! You can see my site from them at http://www.hbwpnetwork.com I love their customer service!
<TheBigBook_Linette>	for the same co - this original one is listed in the top spots but is not getting hosted - should I not just redirect the URL to my new domain? Thx
<otips>	hypemart Cs stinks though
<Affiliates4Cash_Nanc>	QuinStreet_JulieR -Do you mean you trade links with them, or just add links to them on your site?
<Rick_Bier>	Virtual hosting is a background redirect. You don't have your own IP then. My site has it's own domain and it's own IP.
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	Once you are listed you can redirect... in time the new url should take over
<QuinStreet_JulieR>	nanc whatis the question??
<QuinStreet_JulieR>	trade links with whom?
<MainshipSystems_DS>	I'm beginning to wonder if SEs are worth the trouble. I use redirects for several reasons. Not only to send people to browser optimized pages, but also to send people not loggin to the log in page, to send people accessing a page they belong at back the the home page... Not the SEs are telling me I can't do this?
<QuinStreet_JulieR>	i have had no trouble with hypermart cs
<Genealogy_LisaDeJong>	...
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	If you look at SE as the end all be all you will fail.....it is just one component on an integrated plan
<Rick_Bier>	Redirects from optimized pages are worthless. The SEs will only index the page in the redirect.
<MainshipSystems_DS>	Sorry about my typing - its cold in here today, and my fingers feel it
<otips>	hypermart cs slowww
<Rick_Bier>	Mark is right. The SEs are only a part of the marketing equation.
<QuinStreet_JulieR>	correct mark, if I had to rely on search engines, i would get 50 hits a day
<otips>	can you buy ads on search engine instead?
<QuinStreet_JulieR>	otips I have paid hosting they are not slow for me pony up 8 bucks
<Rick_Bier>	Opt-in email, links from other sites, sig files, etc are all a part of your good marketing mix.
<MainshipSystems_DS>	Rick- if your responding to me, when I mean browser optimized, I mean that I want to send someone who is using Netscape 4 to a page that has no IE proprietary tags on it for example. Making the best out of the cross browser situation.
<Ruca>	You can buy ads on SE, but that's nor cheap
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	Start with the lotto sites....5000 hits fo 99bucks
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	Thats about as cheap as it gets
<otips>	netscape is dead
<Harith>	Posts on FREE buy/sell message boards is good too!
<Ruca>	Drop, I've foud a lotto site that delivers 1200 for $55
<ac20_jck>	Mark, what do you mean by 5000 hits for 99$?
<QuinStreet_JulieR>	where Ruca?
<MainshipSystems_DS>	No, Netscape isn't dead, though it may be dying. Even IE has multiple versions out, and I even try to handle WebTV.
<ClubMom_Shawn>	3 minute warning for this chat sessions
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	They send 5000 hits to your site for a hundred dollars
<Rick_Bier>	Mainship- I don't know if that will effect your ranking. I do know that Javascript isn't read by the SEs and Meta refresh redirects are considered spam.
<ac20_jck>	man, 5 hours goes by quick ;)
<Rick_Bier>	One last thing from me then.
<Affiliates4Cash_Nanc>	Julie - when you said you link to all the mystery sites you can find... do you trade links with them? I think the idea is to get many linksTO your site as possible. I bveleive the underlying reason is that when they spider the other site, your url shows up and therefore gets spidered also. Anyone here want to clarify what I mean?
<MainshipSystems_DS>	What about dynamically generated pages - I use ASP and databases to create many pages on the fly
<Ruca>	Quin, http://www.totallyfreelotto.com/
<Rick_Bier>	2-tier.com is looking for ""Guides"". If you're interested visit http://www.2-tier.com and follow the Help wanted link.
<Kasha>	will we kicked out if time ends up?
<ac20_jck>	kasha likes TAFKAP
<ac20_jck>	hehe
<Kasha>	;-)
<ac20_jck>	me 2!
<Kasha>	squirlllllmeaat
<ClubMom_Shawn>	No Kasha - it will be open for a while after, but I'll be signing off.
<ac20_jck>	if u drink it 2 fast
<QuinStreet_JulieR>	nanc-yes, I trade links, my site is a very complete resource and should include others, this way my readers have ALL the info possible
<Harith>	Shawn! once again Many Thanks for inviting us to such informative..educatiing chats. Take care.
<Kasha>	i will turn the lights out
<IMC_Ibrahim>	Thanks Rick! and Thanks Shawn, This has been a really good and learning experience.
<QuinStreet_JulieR>	Thanks Rick and Shawn great chat
<WebDecal_Linda>	This was excellent Shawn
<Ruca>	Better than the Warriors, you have www.makemoneyways.com
<Rick_Bier>	Thanks for having me Shawn. Thanks for the attention folks.
<TheConnectionClub_LB>	Shawn...I finally got back in the chat room! Great info, y'all.
<Harith>	Thanks, Rick. Super informative!
<Contesthound_Bob>	Thanks Rick
<DropCigarettes_Mark>	Shawn you lived up to your reputation
<ac20_jck>	thanks Rick.
<APmanager_Jeff>	Thanks Shawn for setting this up...and thank you Rick for the presentation
<ac20_jck>	thanks Shawn. Moms RULE!
<ClubMom_Shawn>	Thank you to Rick Bier for presenting ""Search Engine Strategies for Affiliates"" And thank you for attending the Affiliate Webinar 2000. This chat room will remain operational for the rest of the day but will be unmoderated.
<FFT_Michelle>	thank you Rick
<HomeWorkingMom_Angie>	thanks Rick and Shawn
<ac20_jck>	unmoderated... yeeehaaaawwwww!!
<FFT_Michelle>	Thanks to Shawn too....this was great and informative
<Kasha>	hehehehe
<Contesthound_Bob>	Thanks Shawn for putting this all together.
<Focalex_DarrenDeLuca>	Hey everyone come chat with Focalex before the webinar ends.
<TheConnectionClub_LB>	I am planning to start an affiliate program in January. Can anyone give me advice on an inexpensive 3rd Party provider? How is Clicktrade?
<ac20_jck>	Shawn, when will the transcripts be available?
<Contesthound_Bob>	When is the next webinar?
<Rick_Bier>	See you all at 2-tier.com